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and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican establishment that rove represents? it's money people. but where are the voters within the republican party. it's not just tea party, it's the real base of the republican party whether they call themselves tea partiers or not. this is what they want. >> i was struck by how unified the reaction against rove was on the right. i mean, all of the influential -- all of the right-wing blogs that are influential enough that a liberal like me knows to go read them. >> right. >> all of them unified with being just disgusted with karl rove for having suggested this. it seems as though this is a v
and so it's very easy for karl rove to saunter in and say oh, well, we'll stop this. you can't fight something with nothing. he did not back a single winning candidate last year. so what is going to happen? that is the republican party. that's why they win primaries, and the republican party has a more serious problem, which is that's 30% of the country that holds those views, maybe more or less. they can win primaries. they can never win national elections. but what is this republican...
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karl rove's strategies are the worst i have ever seen. money given to him might as well be thrown down the drain. >> this from a guy who lost money on a casino. >> use your hair -- head -- you know what i mean. >> stephanie: i have tried to be helpful, by saying please don't fight. you are all losers. please. the tea party crazies and the republican establishment. all of you. >> the whole lot of yous. >> stephanie: there is another one in "politico." republicans and fox news moving to purge the controversial political creatures it created. now the develop with his dismal image, and fox news scrambling to dim those voices sarah palin, and dick norris two of the most obnoxious players. and karl rove sidelined to help get rid of the tea party crazies. >> whatever! >> stephanie: is that becoming like jumbo shrimp electable republicans? [ phyllis diller laughter ] >> kind of. >> stephanie: okay. >> and you are a poopy head. >> stephanie: exactly. right. we have grover norquist going poopy heads. they are the pee wee herman heads. there are two
karl rove's strategies are the worst i have ever seen. money given to him might as well be thrown down the drain. >> this from a guy who lost money on a casino. >> use your hair -- head -- you know what i mean. >> stephanie: i have tried to be helpful, by saying please don't fight. you are all losers. please. the tea party crazies and the republican establishment. all of you. >> the whole lot of yous. >> stephanie: there is another one in "politico."...
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and his chief architect, the golden child, was karl rove. if they thought he was so bad now, didn't they think that he was so bad then? apparently not. i have another thought. if he raised and spent $300 million on failed candidates, krystal just gave you the number, 1.29%, imagine if they had spent $300 million on geotv in states like florida. or i have another state, pennsylvania. or maybe just crazy, virginia. oh, wait, they lost all three of those. >> yes, indeed. >> not to give them a playbook, but i'm just saying. >> you're giving them good advice. >> krystal, that interview stirred a bit of controversy among some conservatives. take a listen to this claim by karl rove. >> i was the director of the texas campaign for ronald reagan in the fall of 1980. >> now, that was interesting, krystal because reagan biographer craig shirley in an e-mail to conservatives today alleges in the course of his research, i'm quoting, at no time did i come across mr. rove's name in association with the reagan campaign. regardless of the veracity of this al
and his chief architect, the golden child, was karl rove. if they thought he was so bad now, didn't they think that he was so bad then? apparently not. i have another thought. if he raised and spent $300 million on failed candidates, krystal just gave you the number, 1.29%, imagine if they had spent $300 million on geotv in states like florida. or i have another state, pennsylvania. or maybe just crazy, virginia. oh, wait, they lost all three of those. >> yes, indeed. >> not to give...
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you're karl rove. not a good guy necessarily, but a smart guy. you're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talks, right? if you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have adelson there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that worked well for romney. here is the deal money can't buy you, authenticity. >> they're authentic, i hate to tell you. they're the real thing. >> they're authentic to the point where -- if you're authentic in your irrationality, great. you'll appeal to the irrational people. but when this guy says the earth was formed -- hold on. when the earth was formed 9,000 years ago and we started farming 10,000 years ago, it's insane. >> we have to come back to the fact that they have a base, that people like this have been elected. >> exactly. they have been. >> you know, i look at mourdock, he won. i like at akin,
you're karl rove. not a good guy necessarily, but a smart guy. you're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talks, right? if you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have adelson there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that...
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how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively. they know what they are getting. steve king and paul broun have been around for a long time. when the party stands up and says these are the guys they want, they know who they're talking about. they know who these guys are. and it is what they choose. so if you were a republican party stalwart, if you were part of the republican party and you loved the republican party and you wanted what was best for the republican party, what would you do at a time like this? what would you say? how would you try to fix this problem? well, today in washington house majorit
how dare karl rove and his money guys try to do any such thing. and so yes, paul broun and steve king may be the prototypical examples of the kind of off the cooke end candidates that karl rove and the big money guys do not want in republican politics, because those are the kind of guys that lose senate seats that are otherwise winnable. but karl rove and his money guys kind of stand alone in that assessment. the rest of the party wants that. they want those guys. and they want it not naively....
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. >>> feeling sorry for karl rove yet? he is having a lot of trouble getting republicans to listen to him these days. maybe he shouldn't have wasted 100 million of their dollars on the last election. >> will the republican change the substance of their position? >> we need to do better. >> what's going on inside the republican party? >> they've gotten spanked a couple of times. >> better conservative candidates and win. >> on the official republican side, you have karl rove. >> karl rove has a new super pac to get rid of candidate like steve king. >> some people believe to get rid of todd akin. >> the female body has ways to shut that down. >> the republican party ought to split. >> better conservative candidates and win. >> but they are not walking the walk. >> washington has to deal with its spending problem. >> the looming budget war. >> i've had enough of it. time to act. >> we've seen the republicans playing game. >> i love nancy pelosi. >> playing games with the budget. >> they recognize that the sequester is a bad i
. >>> feeling sorry for karl rove yet? he is having a lot of trouble getting republicans to listen to him these days. maybe he shouldn't have wasted 100 million of their dollars on the last election. >> will the republican change the substance of their position? >> we need to do better. >> what's going on inside the republican party? >> they've gotten spanked a couple of times. >> better conservative candidates and win. >> on the official republican...
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look, karl rove is -- this is sort of classic karl rove where on the face of it, it looks like what he's doing is, as you suggest, you know, very sort of self-beneficial. he ends up being someone who benefits from this, but at the same time it's something, as i said before, it's something that the republican party needs to do. the republican party cannot afford to have steve israel run for senate and lose -- >> you mean steve king? >> say that again? i'm sorry, steve king. >> steve israel, democrat -- >> yes. >> karl rove likes to pretend it was todd akin and richard mourdock who lost the election but wasn't it george w. bush, the monster to karl rove's dr. frankenstein who lost the election for republicans? >> well, he certainly did his part. i would -- as did karl rove. >> exactly. >> wouldn't you love to be in the meetings with donors when the donor says tell us what you've been up to recently, karl? what races have you won? that's going ton an interesting meeting. more importantly, one of the things i find so interesting, there's an element of chickens coming home to roost because wh
look, karl rove is -- this is sort of classic karl rove where on the face of it, it looks like what he's doing is, as you suggest, you know, very sort of self-beneficial. he ends up being someone who benefits from this, but at the same time it's something, as i said before, it's something that the republican party needs to do. the republican party cannot afford to have steve israel run for senate and lose -- >> you mean steve king? >> say that again? i'm sorry, steve king. >>...
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don't rely on a karl rove or reince priebus. the state chairman really has the opportunity to vet the candidates up front and to build the party from the bottom up and inviting those activists who are frustrated to be a part of the process. >> how do you democrats exploit this? we have the republican establishment disdainful of its right wing and trying to prevent it from getting any candidacies. >> how do we exploit it? >> yeah. >> you remember the old rule from lee at water, when the component is self-destructing get out of the way. >> that goes back to napoleon. >> for the democrats, you watch these guys and you see on the one hand they have lost the middle which is great for the democratic party because everything they lose we pick up. on the other hand, they're attacking their base which is going to result in not victories for moderate candidates who can win general elections but it's going to result in right wing candidates getting their backs up, getting in these primaries, and they're low turnout primaries and they win a
don't rely on a karl rove or reince priebus. the state chairman really has the opportunity to vet the candidates up front and to build the party from the bottom up and inviting those activists who are frustrated to be a part of the process. >> how do you democrats exploit this? we have the republican establishment disdainful of its right wing and trying to prevent it from getting any candidacies. >> how do we exploit it? >> yeah. >> you remember the old rule from lee at...
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. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good morning from washington. it's tuesday, february 5th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. let's get to my first reads. president obama's state of the union address is just a week from today and the president is flooding the zone. worried the federal budget could dominate and limit his agenda this year. he's pushing other issues. he's talking guns one day, immigration the next. making sure he's not drawn into a standoff with republicans over the economy which would quickly come to define his second term. today, he makes the case on immigration to business leaders, including ceos like steve case and monica lozano fr
. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good...
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details on a "the new york times" report that karl rove plans to make sure candidates don't become the nominees in key senate races. nbc's first read team says it is going to be ugly. >>> plus, police say they're doing, quote, everything humanly possible to end the hostage standoff in alabama that's now in the seventh day. neighbors are now even collecting birthday cards for the little boy being held in that underground bunker. he turns 6 this week. former negotiator clint van zant will join me. >>> first, officials rule out one cause of the super bowl blackout. the sudden power outage in the game's second half not caused by electrical work done in december. that was one of the theories. power company and the company that manages the super dome says it originated where a power line meets the dome's electrical system. ravens coach john harbaugh said he was stunned but proud of the team's handling of the delay. >> it was just crazy. we haven't seen that one before. it was new. changed the complexion. they did a great job and changed momentum. they swung and wasn't the lights or the power
details on a "the new york times" report that karl rove plans to make sure candidates don't become the nominees in key senate races. nbc's first read team says it is going to be ugly. >>> plus, police say they're doing, quote, everything humanly possible to end the hostage standoff in alabama that's now in the seventh day. neighbors are now even collecting birthday cards for the little boy being held in that underground bunker. he turns 6 this week. former negotiator clint...
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karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defe
karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do...